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Harvie, Robert

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Personal Information

Rank F/O
Forename(s) Robert
Surname Harvie
Gender M
Age 22
Date of Death 17-01-1943
Next of Kin Son of Dr Robert Harvie and Ada Roper Harvie (née Dalton), of Metcalfe Avenue, Westmount, PoQ, Canada.
HARVIE R

Aircraft Information

Aircraft Avro Lancaster III
Serial Number ED471
Markings VN-

Memorial Information

Burial/Memorial Country Germany
Burial/Memorial Place Kiel War Cemetery
Grave Reference 4. J. 4.
Epitaph

IBCC Memorial Information

Phase 1
Panel Number 46

Enlistment Information

Service Number J/8127
Service Royal Canadian Air Force
Group 5
Squadron 50
Squadron Motto Sic fidem servamus (Thus we keep faith)
Trade Navigator
Country of Origin Canada

Other Memorials

Location Birchwood Way, Birchwood Estate, Lincoln, Lincolnshire
Country United Kingdom
Memorial Type Brick Memorial & Inscribed Marble Obolisk
Memorial Text To the memory of the Air Crews and Ground Staff who gave their lives whilst serving with No 50 Squadron and No 61 Squadron, 5 group, Bomber Command The Royal Air Force 2nd World War 1939 to 1945. No 50 Squadron "From defence to attack" Operated from Waddi
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Location Memorial Gardens, Skellingthorpe, Lincolnshire
Country United Kingdom
Memorial Type Brick Memorial with Inscribed Marble Stone
Memorial Text Royal Air Force Skellingthorpe. My brief sweet life is over, My eyes no longer see, No Christmas Trees, No summer walks, No pretty girls for me, I've got the chop - I've had it, My nightly ops are done, Yet in another 100 years I'll still be twenty one. R
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Miscellaneous Information

Born 26 September 1920, Westmount, Quebec. His father was a mining geologist born in Westmount and his mother was born in Winnipeg, Manitoba. He had sisters Ada and Margaret and three brothers: William David, Donald Alexander and John Dalton Harvie. John was a Flying Officer in the RCAF and became a POW In 1944. The schools Robert attended were Argyle at Westmount, from 1928 to 1935 and then Westmount High 1935-1938. His sport interests included tennis swimming, football, basketball, hockey, and cricket. His hobbies were carpentry, metal turning and radio construction. He had also spent time as a Boy Scout. From 1938 onwards he was a junior draughtsman and worked as an Acoustic Engineer for Dominion Sound Equipment Ltd.in Montreal.
Robert enlisted on 11 October 1940 and passed through 2 AOS on 15 Dec 1941, 25 OTU 14 February 1942, 50 Sqn 12 June 1942 and 50 CF 10 August 1942 before fianlly becoming operational with 50 Squadron on 16 August 1942. Sadly Robert lost his life on 17 January 1943 from 50 Squadron. A memorial service was held at St. Andrew's United Church, Westmount following his death.
Harvie, Bond, Moore, Fraser and one unidentified body (which later was found to be Heinrich) were originally interred in Schleswig Cemetery with full military honours. They were re-interred in Kiel Cemetery in 1947 along with some remains found at the scene of the crash following excavation which were of unknown identity and were taken as belonging to Thomas and Eastwood and were placed a joint grave.

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Record of Events (Operational Record Book) AIR 27/487/26
Summary of Events (Operational Record Book) AIR 27/487/25

Fellow Servicemen

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Bond L J (Sgt)
Eastwood J (Sgt)
Fraser I (F/S)
Heinrich E P (P/O)
Moore J A (WO2)
Thomas A G (F/S)

Last Operation Information

Start Date 17-01-1943
End Date 18-01-1943
Takeoff Station Skellingthorpe
Day/Night Raid Night (90% moon)
Operation Berlin
Reason for Loss Shot down by a night-fighter flown by Uffz. Hans Meissner of 6./NJG3. Crashed in the Kiel area at 21.50hrs in flames and exploded on impact, the local fire brigade extinguishing the fire.

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IBCC is delighted to introduce a unique facility to link the Losses Database to the relevant RAF Casualty Pack on the National Archives website. This project is the result of on-going collaboration between IBCC, the MOD Records Office and National Archives, Kew. This document describes what Casualty Packs are, when they were created, the process of making them available to the public and then goes on to describe the process by which you can view the contents of the packs. Casualty Packs (CPs) were created by the RAF whenever there was serious injury or loss of life associated with operational activity within the RAF. This includes operational flying losses, enemy action due to air raids, road accidents either on station or even off-station if they involved RAF vehicles. Deaths due to natural causes in service or accidents that did not involve RAF vehicles did not generally give rise to a CP.

CPs were originally given a unique reference number by the RAF. Each begins with the letter ‘P’ and is followed by six digits, then an oblique (forward slash) and the finally the year in which the incident took place- for example P396154/42.

The CPs are in the process of being made available to the general public as they are passed from the MOD Records Office, Portsmouth to National Archives, Kew. This process requires some rework to the files which is very time consuming, so the process of making them all available to National Archives will take several years. They are being made available in increasing date order.

Once CPs arrive at National Archives they are assigned a unique AIR81 number, so each CP has both a P-number and an AIR81 number. Both are searchable on the National Archives website under ‘Search the catalogue’ and both are included on the IBCC website.

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There is currently no plan to digitise AIR81 files, partly because they are fragile and partly because the information they contain can at times be sensitive, even harrowing, since they may contain exhumation reports and even photographs of corpses. Family members wishing to read the AIR81 files relating to their ancestors are advised to exercise caution and be guided by National Archives warnings where appropriate.

There are two means for accessing AIR81 files- to attend in person or to order a copy by post.

To attend in person, the attendee should first create a Reader’s Ticket. This can be done online by following this link: https://secure.nationalarchives.gov.uk/login/yourdetails. Then click on the AIR81 reference on the IBCC website and click Order in Advance. Enter your Reader’s Ticket number and state the date on which you intend to visit. National Archives will have the file ready for you when you arrive, saving you time. When you visit Kew, you must quote the Reader’s Ticket number and take along two forms of ID- one bearing your signature and one bearing your address. When you view the files, you are permitted to take photographs of each page, should you wish.

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